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  • You are right, that you didn’t directly state you wanted the destruction of Israel. I read it in the subtext.

    Israel’s support in the west has declined over the war in Gaza for sure. However if its existence were threatened support would skyrocket.

    Israel still has lots of friends despite the way they are behaving. The consequences for Israel so far have been some minor sanctions.

    If Israel were attacked on a large scale now, it would absolutely get support by the USA, Germany, India, and other Western countries.

    Who do you expect to pose a military threat to Israel? Jordan and Egypt aren’t interested in a war and are occupied with stability at home. Syria is in shambles. Hezbollah is good at harassing Israel and defending against invasion, but no existential threat. A nuclear armed Iran is the biggest threat and Israel’s main adversary.

    Maybe you can outline a scenario where you see Israel fall.






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    So you want the violent destruction of Israel, as far as I understand. Israel, the only Jewish state in the world. A safe haven for Jews persecuted all over the world. A state that was established by the right to self determination of the Jewish people.

    You place your hope in the US stopping the support of Israel, a highly unlikely event. The US only became a major supporter of Israel during the Yom Kippur war in 1973. Before that they bought their arms and received nuclear technology from France.

    Even if let’s say the USA stops all arms sales to Israel. They would be able to adapt. Today Israel has an extremely good relationship with India. Israeli technology plus Indian manufacturing would enable Israel to do quite well. The relationship with Arab neighbors has improved significantly as well, as they recognize Iran as the true danger to the region’s peace and stability.

    The US would lose Israel’s exceptional intelligence skills in the region. That’s not in their interest.

    Fever dreams like yours to throw the Jews into the sea have fueled this conflict ever since it heated up in the 1920s.



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    How dare the Jewish people try to build a safe home for themselves after centuries of persecution and oppression.

    At the beginning Zionism was peacefully immigrating and buying land and building kibbutz. Violence was mostly self defense of their communities. There were intense diplomatic efforts to allow peaceful establishment of a state as well. We are here because Arabs didn’t accept Jewish immigrants and refugees as their neighbors. Until today accepting the existence of Israel as a neighbor is anathema to most.

    Yes, there are expansionist Zionists, but they only gained prominence and power after decades of Arab intransigence and insistence on war.

    What are you referring to when you say “illegal occupation”? It’s a very nebulous term on purpose. Some use it to refer to the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. For others is refers to all of Israel. Being “against illegal occupation” unites those who want to kill all Jews with those who want two democratic states. Be careful who you ally with.








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    Criticism is fine. Fuck Bibi for sure and the war.

    You can criticize Israel’s policies just fine without descending into antisemitism. Many pro Palestinians don’t understand or don’t care about the difference. That means their advocacy descends into just hate for everything Israeli.

    If Israel really wanted to commit a genocide, bombed indiscriminately, or killed everyone on sight, there would be millions of dead today. Remember that armed militants from Gaza managed to kill more than 1000 Israelis in one day with mostly small arms.

    About 40 000 Gazans were killed during this war, that’s now 11 months old. Israel has a far stronger military and managed to destroy a large fraction of the buildings in Gaza. The number of deaths is low compared to the overall destruction and the power disparity. This is a war in a dense urban environment against an incredibly deeply entrenched enemy.

    The number of people who starved to death less than ten afaik, most of them had preexisting health conditions. There’s enough food getting in overall, but distribution inside Gaza is difficult.

    That said. This war should end. A two state solution like the Olmert offer is a viable path to end the occupation of the West Bank and achieve freedom for Palestinians.