Won’t stop me from trying. If a third party gains enough strength, they could at least leverage an endorsement in exchange for concessions, while at the same time challenging the belief that they’re useless.

It’s true that lesser-evilist ideology has a vice grip on most Americans, so it’s an uphill battle. But it’s an incorrect ideology, and one that’s going to screw me over sooner or later, so I can’t accept it. I’d rather play the longshot, unless and until the democrats are actually willing to come to the negotiating table.

And that’s how you get the spoiler effect, and another round of fascist SCOTUS appointments for the next few decades, a fascist president, project 2025, etc.

Unless enough people do it.

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No, because that’s not true. The only thing that assists Trump getting into power is voting for Trump. Voting third party provides the exact same assistance to Trump as it does to Biden: 0.

But I’ll tell you what - if not voting for someone counts as assisting them, then you can rest assured that Biden will have my assistance.

The trolley problem is a philosophy 101 thought experiment. It’s not an absolute guideline for philosophy.

As a side note, even if it was, there are many people who disagree with pulling the lever, like the whole branch of Deontology, for example. It’s bizarre that everyone on here assumes that everyone else on here has to be operating under the exact same moral framework, and if you disagree you’re either an idiot or a Russian bot. The idea that anyone could ever draw a red line against a particular action just, you know, organically is treated as totally alien.

In real life, things are never as simple as in a philosophical thought experiment. There’s incomplete information, there’s multiple actors, there’s long term factors affecting cause and effect. Let’s look at some ways in which an individual’s choice on who to vote for in an election differ from the trolley problem:

1. You don’t have full control of the trolley. Instead, there are millions of other people who collectively decide which track the trolley will go down.

2. There are more than two tracks. Some of them might be unlikely to be chosen, but they still exist.

3. There are people who have engineered the situation to be the way it is, who have the ability to change it, and who can benefit depending on what choice you make.

4. The trolley problem will be repeated, over and over again, indefinitely. Depending on which track it goes down, it could influence the number of people on the tracks in the future.

5. There’s uncertainty involved in everything. You don’t know the exact number of people on each track, you don’t know what all the other actors are going to do, you don’t know how the people engineering the situation will behave, etc.

If you make the necessary changes to the hypothetical to make it actually reflect reality, it is so convoluted that it’s no longer recognizable as a trolley problem and the choice becomes a lot less clear. There are plenty of Consequentialists who would agree with pulling the lever in the context of the hypothetical, because of all the constraints imposed in the hypothetical, but who would, in real life, say that you should consider every possible alternative and carefully consider the consequences before condemning one person to death to save five.

Don’t derive your moral philosophy, or political philosophy, from random memes and thought experiments. Read.

Did you miss the meme? The ones where words are rearranged and spat back as lies? Take it up with OP.

If you single me out, while your friends do the exact same thing and you ignore it, it’s not helping you come across as an impartial mediator.

Edit to your edit: Do you have an example of someone from Hexbear telling a trans person to kill themselves? OP didn’t, that’s why they made up the scenario whole cloth. Complete fabrication. Why aren’t you calling this out?

You act like a complete prick around here.

Hmm, you sure I’m the one acting like a prick around here?

Lol this is a follow-up to another meme in this community. You’ve invented a narrative about something you don’t understand. Touch grass.

So sorry for your inability to discern context. I hope that gets better for you.

Literally look at the verbatim of the post you found your “context” on, you dunce.

Sounding a little bit like a prick if you ask me. And that’s on top of the ones that got removed! Something something glass houses.

I told you from the start that was what it was about. Or at least, I tried to. You seem to have this tendency to assume you know where people are coming from and condescending to them rather than explaining, before you even hear what they’re saying. You even did it again in this very thread!

So much of that drama could’ve been avoided if you’d shown basic decency and respect and talked to me like an actual human being. Then you would’ve seen what I was arguing ages ago. It’s really a very poor style of communication.

So bratty~

You literally referenced me multiple times in this thread before I showed up. I know you were thinking of me the whole time you were making this 😘

Wow, do I have a fan?

Without saying what they are, cool. I guess I’m rejecting your false dilemmas, lies, and accusations too, then.

Lmao and you accused me of throwing a tantrum 😂😂😂

Getting so butthurt you make a whole other thread, drama queen much?

Thanks for not joking about suicide this time tho!

I did not make a joke out of it.

because the point of the joke is not to tell trans people to kill ourselves

That literally does not matter. The point is that it’s a delicate topic that should be handled with some basic fucking sensitivity and not used as a punchline to score political points.

Besides that, if you’re going to go around baselessly accusing people of telling trans people to kill themselves, then I get to accuse you of the same.

This whole thread is disgusting and inappropriate. You literally pointed someone towards suicide resources as a way of condescending to them. I can’t believe you can’t see the problem with that.

Go fuck yourself. Trans suicide isn’t a fucking punchline.

And they had no place in immediately lobbing insults at me either, but I don’t see you confronting them about it.

Literally the whole meme is accusing people of telling trans people to kill ourselves when they didn’t actually say it. If your team gets to do it, then so do I.

MY rotting corpse just has some stiff joints, that’s all.

They’re entitled to their views, as I am to mine.

I will do whatever I can to protect my loved ones and ensure they retain access to their meds. But I cannot go against the dictates of my conscience. And as I said, in the long term, solidarity between marginalized groups is the only viable path forward and I will not sacrifice that long term strategy for some fleeting, half-hearted protection. In fact I’ve already seen people applying the “lesser evil” argument to sacrificing trans rights since I posted this. Only by uniting and drawing a red line do we have a chance in the long run.

Mostly just I just wouldn’t do more genocide tbh.

Ironically, not even to stop a genocide.

Yes, that’s correct.

Don’t you have some sexual assault jokes to go make?