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  • Using Gish gallop makes people look at you with wary eyes and ignore whatever you have to say, as the only people using this technique are zaelots without facts.

    You are intelligent enough to know what logical fallacies are in principle, and you can work on actually spotting them, and presumably at the core of you there’s a right thinking person somewhere. Do yourself a favour and step back a moment and think about the company you are keeping ideologically. And what hill you are deciding to fight on.













  • Listen, I would be the first to point fingers. And I did in case of the FvD. And yes, Wilders is inherently untustworthy and undemocratic.

    But the people voting for him en masse do not vote for him for that. I did not make the point that the PVV is not a dangerous party, but the media is portraying his voters as rabid racists, and that is (sadly) untrue, he managed to grab the interest of the lower middleclass and elderly, incuding second and third generation immigrants. They are concerned with housing, healthcare and spending power.


  • But that’s hardly the point.

    Look, I am not saying Wilders is not a creep. But their success right now is despite him and his anti-constitutional viewpoints. There was room for a big populist party with mass appeal and they fill that void. And the media is misrepresenting his voters. I am not one of them, and would never be, but I do know quite a few of people that switched to PVV and they did so because they felt he would work to get the lower middle class and elderly a better standard of living, something all other parties seem to fail to deliver on.


  • Intoletance has originally always been a right wing mainstay and that is why the PVV are lumped in with that. But if you look at their program, apart from the anti-islam rhetoric, they want affordable care and lower the pension age. Clear centrist/left-wing viewpoints. And this is overlooked by the oversimplifying media. Yes, PVV are riding on the wave of anti immigration sentiment. But they reached this level of support by not being fascists like the FvD for example. The old left/right wing nomenclature is not sufficient to describe the ways parties amd society change.

    On any case, the foreign media is tarring the PVV voters with the brush of racist extremists, and the reality is much, much more nuanced.