Please check my post, I think everything I said is very valid, but I want this community to see it too, and help steer the discussion, I think reddit is doing this intentionally.

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    The point of this post is actually to get people to participate over there to stop the spread of misinformation, i’d appreciate it if you went over there with an adblocker, but if you insist:

    I think there’s a team of people intentionally spreading lemmy misinformation. I think reddit is trying to get people not to switch from this platform

    People are saying the same things everywhere, but on any analysis, they don’t actually make sense, let me give an example:

    Lemmy is absolutely too convoluted for normal people. “There are multiple servers, many of which overlap with each other content-wise? Which one am I supposed to use? This isn’t as simple as reddit,” says the photographer who posted to /r/earthporn, says the politics junkie who posted in /r/worldnews, says the creative writer who posted to /r/nosleep.

    There is no way to prevent this from happening again. It will happen again, no matter what. If Lemmy gets big, it will only do so if a couple servers rise above all others so the normies can understand that those are the servers to join… and those servers eventually will take advantage of their users just as reddit has done."

    There’s no aspect of truth to this comment, as an example, let’s try actually doing what they’re saying is too hard:

    https://beehaw.org

    click “communities”

    search “news”

    oh, there’s the one at the top with the most subscribers

    https://beehaw.org/c/news

    Done

    So, did they just make up that it was too convoluted for normal people? Yes. Is there some truth to the notion that there are multiple communities for the same thing… Also yes, but there are on reddit too, it’s no different than r/art and r/art1 r/art2 and the billion other subreddits in a similar position. People just search and then use the largest one… so is it an actual problem, or is it just grasping at straws? You be the judge of that.

    Are there things that make lemmy difficult? Yes, but they’re rapidly being solved and extremely minimal, other than that issue tracker, the other thing that might stop you is that some lemmy instances require a message and approve signup, this is because they widely aren’t monetized and are run by volunteers with no intention of ever monetizing. Neither of these things are real blockers to normal human adoption, and neither of them are long-term fundamental issues.

    If you think federation is too complex for normal users, I ask you, why does email face no such difficulty? Why is nobody complaining about how difficult email is because of federation?

    The other issue is genuinely a problem, the lemmy developers are tankies… however, lemmy is released under an open source license, none of their ideology is being injected into the code, and this is akin to worrying about the ideology of the developers of email. Use an instance not created by them, and you’re safe from this entirely, I recommend https://beehaw.org/

    Don’t let the misinformation factory stress you, I don’t have proof that reddit is doing this on purpose, but this seems to be a common set of lies… and if you don’t like lemmy anyway, there’s also kbin, which federates with lemmy but is made by completely separate developers.

    Federation is NECESSARY for a non-corpo/government propaganda AND control ridden future. If reddit were federated, nobody would give a fuck about this api thing, because we’d just go to another instance, and all of our content would still be available on that other instance. That’s why reddit fears federation, none of the issues with lemmy are fundamental, let’s build a better future, one where we don’t have to hope a benevolent centralized monopoly/dictatorship on a community will work for us!

    And lemmy is the only way to save these precious reddit apps: https://github.com/derivator/tafkars/tree/main/tafkars-lemmy

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      It’s the same rhetoric as the apple guy used to show sideloading in such light as it would rob your grandma by its own.

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      Gosh, I felt like I was going to make this post, albeit not from a username titled “communist” 😅 .

      Now, I always implore anyone who’ll lend an ear - please, hold your horses on labeling devs as “tankies”. Let’s not instantly stamp them good or bad. Rather, let’s mull over the behavior of a community that decides its course of action based on whether it’s supposedly tainted by a particular ideology. Try to think of the bigger picture of how people act as a whole based on information and what those actions benefit.

      Let’s level with each other here. The GPL? It’s got more than a dash of Marx, if you ask my humble self (and heck, I think that’s a good thing). But has that deterred folks from assembling magnificent creations under the banner of a collective project? So, where do we end up if we tread down this logical path? Do we forsake Open Source software, just because its bedrock principles share a striking resemblance with Socialism/Communism? Is this selective ideological litmus test the norm now? And what fuels this selective disposition?

      Now, just imagine, if I were a bigwig at a deep-pocketed corporation, wouldn’t it be a walk in the park to sow the conspiracy that ALL Lemmy devs are rabid tankies (ALL of them, seriously? If I pitch in, does that make me a hardened communist?). Couple this with the palpable fear that Reddit might just bulldoze their way to victory, and voila, you’ve got a fearful, active amygdala ready to perceive an “enemy” - no matter how illogical. Outrage, my dear friends, is among the most contagious of emotions. Curiously enough, this entire conspiracy/misinformation hinges on just that - unbridled outrage.

      It’s almost as if there’s no call for outrage, provided one possesses even a smidgen of understanding about open source development, its inherent messiness, and the swirling ideologies around it. Now, those are the nuggets worth pondering. But, who am I to say, right?

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        The problem with tankies has nothing to do with communism, i’m a communist, that’s not the problem at all.

        The problem with tankies is that they’re authoritarian genocide deniers. The GPL doesn’t have any authoritarianism or genocide denial in it.

        The LEAD DEV denies the genocide Uyghurs in china. It’s much worse than you’re assuming.

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      undefined> i’d appreciate it if you went over there

      Please don’t. At least not until the 15th if you must. Personally I’ll continue to avoid it.