• nearhat@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    No? Because a tip should never be expected. It can and is appreciated, but if it’s to be expected then I expect it to be included in the pricing of the meal, not as a separate “worker welfare” line item.

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      1 year ago

      Then there’s no harm in revealing that fact ahead of time. Just let them know not to expect a tip and enjoy your meal shame-free.

      I can tell you, as I’m sure you know, that tipping is expected, even if it isn’t legally enforced. If you truly believe in honest pay for honest work, then be honest about the fact that you will not be subsidizing their pay and relieve them of that conventional expectation. If you’re being honest with yourself, you should have no problem with that, right?

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        1 year ago

        Again you’re expecting the patron to contort themselves through the social custom, instead of simply not participating in it. You seem to have this assumption that patrons expect and deserve a personal slave while dining. Maybe it’s an American and Canadian thing.

        I hope you eventually find how freeing it is to not give a shit about what others say or think and just enjoy your meal, pay for it, and be on your merry way.

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          1 year ago

          instead of simply not participating in it

          That’s exactly what I said, though: if you don’t want to tip, don’t go to a table service restaurant. There are plenty of restaurants where tipping is not expected, feel free to go there and not give a shit. Most restaurants offer take out now too, so you can still eat your favorite meals.

          You are contorting yourself to justify the discount you give yourself at the expense of the person waiting on you. You are taking advantage of the fact that tipping happens after service, and that it’s not legally enforced, to lavish in the benefits of a personal slave without paying them for the pleasure.

          You know very well that tips are expected, and know very well that the quality of the service you receive reflects that fact, and know very well that if you were honest up front about your beliefs on the practice, that the service you received would not be up to the quality you feel entitled to. Rather than upon the unpleasant implications thereof, or accept service in line with the compensation you provide (instead of the “personal slave” you’ve become so accustomed to), you’ve decided to remain entitled.

          You know very well that you’re exploiting some poor worker via unspoken convention, and yes you should be very, very ashamed.

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            1 year ago

            Your assertion that non-table service restaurants don’t demand tipping is disingenuous. It’s ‘tipping culture’ after all. It’s spread everywhere. Best of luck to you in trying to shame employers into providing proper wages by berating patrons.

            Please, send me your paypal link so I can tip you for this interaction.

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              Non-table service tipping is optional. Toss your change in or throw a couple bucks if you’re feeling generous. Those workers aren’t considered tipped, legally speaking, and they don’t make less than minimum wage. That’s a pitiful equivocation.

              Tell your server when you sit down that you don’t tip, or accept that you’re a shameful, entitled little bilker. Stop your bloviating about “it’s the business owner’s responsibility!” and admit that you just a want a little slice of the exploitation for your own wallet.