Even if you disagree with them, Trotskyists are not tankies, simple Marxists aren’t tankies, leftists curious and exploring different theories aren’t tankies, and ffs anarchists like myself are not tankies.
I feel like “tankie” indicated a very specific worldview at one time, but it’s been used lately a lot to mean things like “doesn’t agree with nations supporting oppression and inequity up to and including genocide” – which is drastically at odds with how I’ve seen the term used in the past, no?
I’ve only ever seen it applied by liberals to actual tankies who wish Stalin were in charge and think it’d be great if Putin defeated the US. I’ve seen conservatives and those on the hard-right use the term to paint anyone to the left of Reagan. Never once have I ever seen anyone use the term “tankie” based on someone’s support for Palestine.
Why is there a red-scare on Lemmy? I’m admittedly a bit of a suspicious person, but the concern about .ml and the suggestion to defederate seems manufactured. I struggle to believe a bunch of “liberals” on .world are so butthurt by the meanies on .ml that they need to censor them completely. It just seems astroturfed.
I’ve most recently seen a .ml praising the Taliban in an lgbtq+ community. They’re not good people (or their instance draws, tolerates, and encourages those kinds of people). I don’t really want that sort of crap spilling into other instances. Alas, programming.dev has not defederated from them. When instances do defederate from them, it’s not censorship, it’s just not pulling data from their communities or users. Users are welcome to make an account on .ml if they want to see the things on there. Do you understand the difference? If not, I can explain it a little more with some better examples if you let me know the sticking points.
Do you understand the difference?
Yes, but you don’t. You’re promoting cutting off an entire group of viewpoints all on the flimsy justification that there are some shitty people and trolls on .ml (just block the bad users on your own ffs).
Defederating will create echo chambers across the fediverse where dissenting voices aren’t heard by people who really need to consider a contrary opinion. That’s censorship. Sure technically each individual user could go make a new account wherever they please, but that’s an extra step and it’s easier to police any dissent that trickles in. Don’t tell me that’s not censorship, I’m not stupid.
It’s nice the fediverse doesn’t have centralized control, (otherwise the tankies that built it would have banned everyone), but this place will ultimately produce nothing useful for society since it’s devolving into isolated echochambers where people go to get intellectually jerked off when they feel sorry for themselves.
First, the “some shitty people” thing comes off the same as “not all men” to me. It’s enough that it’s noticeable.
Next, censorship:
It’s not censorship. (And being wrong isn’t the same thing as being stupid.) You can shout all you want, but people don’t have to listen to you or amplify your message.
Other people’s servers, communities, etc., aren’t automatically yours to do with whatever you want. You’re a guest of their hardware, knowledge, and labor. Their instance might serve a purpose that’s not providing you with a platform to give people an opinion “they really need to hear” or producing something of value to society, whatever that means. You don’t get to decide that. And that’s the beauty of federation.
Anyway, I’m done with this so I’m going to block an individual user as you suggested, so take the time you would have used to write a response and really think about what I’ve said. Take some time to develop some empathy and be able to see things from viewpoints that aren’t your own (maybe you’re the one in an echo chamber that needs to consider new opinions). Or don’t, I’m not your mother.
I’ve most recently seen a .ml praising the Taliban in an lgbtq+ community.
Do you have a link to that?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/11454789
That might not work, here’s the thread: https://lemmy.zip/post/16774498
Here’s the comment:
Taliban is a very admirable group in their fight against a foreing invader. If you want people there to have a mentality that no longer condems individuals for their sexuality, they need to develop economically first. I think its naive to belive that an agricultural country set back in development many years by a foreing invasion will have any kind of progressive mindset. And no ecomic development will occur under invasion and war. So if theres any chance for a progressive mindset to come for the people there in the future, its path starts with the fight taliban did, even if they are against it themselves.
I actually got banned from a comm on here just yesterday for pointing out that one of the people who was posting a load of things saying “FUCK TANKIES” had repeatedly admitted that they were a fascist and shouldn’t be trusted. Like I’m a trot, I have no love for stalinists obviously but I think it should be pretty obvious to people at this point that the people constantly yelling about tankies are just using it as an excuse to amputate the entire far left out of political discussions.
receipts
The image I posted: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/d7110acb-ec24-4f8b-9454-955956eb2548.png
The mod who removed it:
You banned me, a gay man from lgbtq_plus with no explanation.
