I would argue that the connection is a lot older than Nazis. The era around 1250 responded to a nasty wave of the Black death by Christian leaders collaborating to simultaneously fight the population decline by criminalizing abortion friendly midwifery and ostracize and subjugate gender and sexual minorities because they feared the collapse of society due to a population bust. As such what was taught by the church up to that point began to get new connotations. Jewish populations were persecuted and killed as scapegoats for the cause of the plague. Folk medicine women and non-conforming men were killed and condemned for witchcraft. While women stepped up to fill the roles of men during the plague once the population was rebounding their power of place in society was to be broken as the Church leaned on it’s misogynistic practices and preached of the dangers to society and the family…
Nazisim is just a more modern echo of well established means to break the power of non compliant of groups who can be scapegoated or subjugated into subservience to Christians who feel threatened, a group that centers nominally celebate and wealthy men whose only contact with women is in a subordinate role.
It’s almost like both the Nazis and the queers have been saying that
Nastiness. The clear connection, at its heart, it’s nastiness. Lack of compassion. Zero empathy.
Werent the Nazis pro abortion for everyone else?
And LGBTQ were also victims of their genocide.
Like, the largest demographic of victims were Jewish, but there was a bunch of other groups getting the same treatment.
The difference is LGBTQ was hated by both sides. After Alan Turing contributed more to stopping the nazis than probably any other single person, England chemically castrated him due to his sexual preference which likely contributed to his suicide.
Fascists always prioritize the easiest targets first
The jews were also maligned by both sides.
One side fought for them. Or, at the very least, freed them when they won.
What?
The war wasn’t fought to stop genocide of any group, it was because Germany and their allies kept invading and attacking other countries.
This is what I’m complaining about.
People learn a feel good version of why WW2 happened in school and run with it. But it’s not really that accurate, it’s just what we tell kids in school.
Eh, FDR and other US politicians wanted to enter the war for various reasons, including the oppression of Jews, the attack on Pearl Harbor was a convenient spark for them. (Not saying they plotted it or anything, just they desired to join the war before that, and it gave them a reason to convince the more (largely) pacifism minded public
Eh, FDR and other US politicians wanted to enter the war for various reasons, including the oppression of Jews
And some wanted to join the Axis for the same reasons…
Not just their treatment of Jewish people, but all the groups.
The nazis inspiration for their treatment of targeted demographics was literally American treatment of slaves and indigenous peoples after all.
America didn’t join WW2 cause we wanted to wear a cape, the sole reason was Pearl Harbor.
to quote an old reddit comment:
There is no doubt that the US was going to enter the war before Pearl Harbor. Not only was American aid to the Allies massive (and increasing month by month), but the U.S. was already effectively at war with Germany - by mid-1941 American ships were escorting British convoys with orders to shoot German ships/aircraft on sight. There’s a reason Hitler declared war on the US when he had no obligation to. Germany and the US were already in direct conflict.
More to the point, collaborative war planning had been going on long before Pearl Harbor. [The ABC-1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–British_Staff_Conference_(ABC–1\)) Conference for example outlined the broad strokes of Allied strategy for the rest of the war.
There is no reasonable scenario where the US would not have entered the war.
So, as I said, at the very least they were freed?
And the only demographic of victims to get their own country…
To get them out of europe. Anti-semitism was not a purely german thing, they were just the first to resort to genocide.
Yes…
I’m sorry, what are you confused about?
Jewish people made up about half the victims, and was the only demographic who then got their own country given to them after it was stolen from the indengious population.
The concept of there being an “indigenous population” on a land that humanity has occupied and fought over for 10000 years is laughable. And stolen? They lost a world war.
The concept of there being an “indigenous population” on a land that humanity has occupied and fought over for 10000 years is laughable
Hold up…
You don’t think Africa has any indigenous populations?
You think a random collection of Europeans can say they deserve that land and take it?
Like, that’s apartheid South Africa mate… Even modern South Africa doesn’t defend that anymore, which is why they’re fighting Israel in the courts today.
And stolen? They lost a world war.
What?
Are you saying that you think the native population of Israel fought with the Nazis?
Who told you that?
I don’t think you’re intentionally spreading misinformation, but that’s what you’re doing even if you somehow believe it
If you are not Aryan you can be sterilized WO any problem.
Given the context, I’m assuming this is sarcasm…at least I HOPE it’s sarcasm!!!
My point is, for nazis you can perfectly be sterilized, except if you are Aryan then you can’t, so the premise isn’t 100% truth…
