Why not a matrix server?
The divide in these comments perfectly encapsulates why nothing ever gets done when it comes to privacy
Yup, would probably get more people to join by just using Discord at this point.
You won’t see previous messages, but that doesn’t mean the group is dead lol
Do it on Wire and I’m in. No way I’m giving you my phone number.
This is a privacy community ffs
tbf, signal is a bit of a privacy joke
Yes. We should not be recommending it here in this community.
Where’s the option to hide if from signal?
Lol not in Signal
Why not?
Because you can’t have privacy if a company asks for your phone number.
Depends, who do you want to shield what information from? Signal knows all of their users’ phone numbers. You can hide it from other Signal users. All depends on your threat model.
Signal knows all of their users’ phone numbers.
Only the hash of your phone number.
Good correction, thanks
The NSA
Right, then Signal might not be the best option. The NSA can easily track who’s using Signal, and possibly do some traffic correlation to reveal who’s talking to who.
But to state that there is no privacy on Signal at all is a bit of a stretch.
Burner numbers are pretty easy to come by…
Not for everyone. Check your privilege.
SimpleX maybe 😁
Not usable until they support unifiedpush. I won’t burn my battery with simplex.
Actually it’s not burning my battery so much, but I can understand
Yeah not doing Signal with randos.
That is indeed a massive improvement, but until they allow multiple profiles per number - that would still mean either using the same account with internet randos as I do with IRL friends, or renting a whole other number and risking losing the account once the ownership of the number expires.
Make a Threema group then I’ll join lol
Isn’t this a paid app?
if it’s free, you’re the product.
signal seems really good right now, with open source clients, but they already show that they’d like to keep the ecosystem locked down by not allowing 3rd party clients. at some point they will need a way to pay for their datacenters, and even if they claim the foundation or whatever is doing well, i can see the pestering for donations getting much worse in the future.
that said, threema is far from optimal too, im still waiting for matrix servers to become solid options. last time i wanted to set up synapse, the only captcha they supported was fucking Google captcha :|
if it’s free, you’re the product.
FOSS software existing proves this is not always true.
I mean, those are valid concerns. Most messaging apps require a server to be running at all times. If there is only one centralized server, costs will start to pile up, so they’ll need a way to make money; either by asking for donations, making a paid tier or by selling your data.
True! That’s why I much prefer federated protocols so that the cost (and data!) does not pile up in one specific place. You can end up paying for it - in form of your VPS bill or the cost of the hosting hardware.
Your arguments don’t really make sense in the context of you asking for Threema instead, even if you acknowledge that it isn’t optimal.
[Signal] already showed that they’d like to keep the ecosystem locked down by not allowing 3rd party clients
Neither does Threema, it is a closed eco system? And in fact there is Molly, a hardened Signal fork for Android
At some point they will need a way to pay for their datacenters, […] i can see the pestering for donations getting much worse in the future.
Threema is a paid app though. So you consider an app asking for donations worse than a paid one? I agree though that their financials aren’t the best, since they seem to be living off a loan, but thats even more an argument to donate.
it’s generally true, but Signal is asking for and depends on donations because they have no other revenue source (unlike google which does not ask for donations because indeed they monatize you, the “product”).