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  • MaXimus421@lemmy.worldEnglish
    58·
    16 days ago

    Isn’t there a bunch of heat over the owner (and by extension, the platform) from the government right now.

    I don’t think I’d want to use a platform the government is so intent on getting a backdoor access to. Especially with the shit that “allegedly” is going on with Telegram.

    • Skull giver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nlEnglish
      91·
      16 days ago

      Telegram isn’t as encrypted as it pretends to be. It doesn’t need backdoors. They have the messages encrypted on the servers, but they also have the encryption keys.

      There’s no need for a backdoor, they can just read every message by design*. That’s what gets them in hot water with governments so often, they can moderate their platform and kick out the terrorists and pedos, they just decide not to. When governments come up with a warrant for all information for an account, Telegram ghosts them or provides metadata, even though they can verifiably show every single message sent since the day the app launched*.

      Signal’s safety lies in the encryption it uses. Telegram’s safety lies in the fact they don’t talk to law enforcement. Both techniques work, as long as you don’t live in a country that’ll arrest you for either.

      * Technically speaking, you can create encrypted chats, you just can’t use those cross device and both users need to be online at the same time to initiate them and they don’t work for groups and you’d need to check each other’s keys through another channel to use them securely and nobody actually uses them in practice.

      • MaXimus421@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        15 days ago

        Telegram, it’s “encryption” or lack thereof, whatever, is hiding behind it’s owner. And he’s got a what, $5 million dollar bond or something? The platform is being made an example of. And his kneck is on the chopping block.

        If you think he won’t fold, you’re insane. The logs (yes, logs) will be handed over. Keys to encryption will be. Whatever it takes to gain 100% full access, will be given.

        To think they won’t is purposeful, blatent, fanboyism. And to turn the conversation into a Telegram and Signal comparison is just… ugh.

        Signal ain’t on trial here. Telegram isn’t even in the same area code as Signal in terms of security. But you already know that. Telegram is not, was not and never will be a secure, privacy centered messaging program.

        And because it allowed some of its users to treat it like it is one, with nefarious intent, is why it’s going to burn in flames. And tbh, it should. People treated like it’s secure. When it was anything but. Reap it.

        • Skull giver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nlEnglish
          2·
          15 days ago

          I’m sure he’ll be fine. Extraordinary charges require extraordinary evidence.

          He’s of the social class where governments will just grant you citizenship as a little treat. I don’t believe he’ll be in real prison the way you or me would be.

          I suspect there’s more going on. My guess is that the police has infiltrated Telegram, found not-so-pleasant evidence, and him getting himself arrested in France is part of the deal.

          Could also be because if his ties to Russia; Russian news has been particularly offensive when it comes to news about Durov despite the government and him having a falling out, and neither of Durov’s current nationalities being Russian. Could just be the Russians trying to stir the pot, but it’s a little strange considering the Russian communications control agency’s view on Telegram as a platform.

          Or maybe they just found some edividence of him knowing specific details about the horrible shit on his platform and choosing not to do anything about it. Knowing about CSAM and not reporting it alone could be reason for an arrest in the jurisdiction his servers are in, after all.

          • MaXimus421@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            15 days ago

            Well there it is.

            He’s either blocking them in the name of “user privacy” fighting the “good fight” or he’s refusing them because he’ll very likely be implemented, lawfully on the charges they want access over.

            My point is, Telegram is done. It’s a rat trap at this point and anyone associated with it getting their info scraped - purposely.

            That’s a pretty heft user base, there. GL.

          • MaXimus421@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            15 days ago

            Great discussion, BTW, man. I appreciate the back and forth. You were far more cival than me in this on a few things that is not lost on me.

            Cheers.

      • MaXimus421@lemmy.worldEnglish
        36·
        16 days ago

        I’m well aware of what you’re getting at. I’m insulted you’d think I’m not. But at some point you have to look at the situation for what it is - in the moment.

        Telegram has the very public, very purposeful eye of the government on it right now. That platform cannot hide behind it’s owner taking the high road. It will bend the knee or it will close it’s doors.

        That’s where it is right now. That’s no choice at all for it’s users, obviously.

        • ladfrombrad 🇬🇧@lemdro.idMEnglish
          31·
          16 days ago

          Telegram has the very public, very purposeful eye of the government on it right now.

          Which, “government”, are you referring to here if you could expand please?

          Or are you saying all governments are averse to Telegram?