She wasn’t right about a lot of things, specially relating to the Middle East. Misguided at best, malicious at worst when it comes to the Middle East.
She did win the popular vote, by millions. But the good ol’ I Wanna Keep Mah Slaves Electoral College handed it to an overgrown 10 year old.
And the millions sat silent mumbling under their nose that they didn’t vote hard enough.
At this point anyone relitigating 2016 is fart sniffing. Nobody cares that you hate Clinton and nobody cares if you love her. Nothing good can possibly come from picking that scab over and over again, so either just move on, or preferably, put that energy into something productive, like community outreach, organizing or local politics.
It’s literally too late for that … Nothing short of a massive general strike against SCOTUS or less civilized nation wide riots will save the USA
She had completely hijacked the entire democratic party and pulled an assload of shady shit while she was running in order to stay on top. And then she goes into the debates with Trump and acts like she’s some insipid Susie fucking homemaker. She even had one of her idiots feed her questions beforehand and managed to still fuck it up.
Her big mistake IMO is in not being her bitch ass self and wrecking that fat pompous dipshit on the debate stage. I was excruciatingly disappointed when I watched those and didn’t see the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast. So yeah, she lost that shit all by her self by not being herself.
the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast
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Fuck Trump, a rapist, a liar, a thief, a narcissitic piece of shit. And fuck his daddy Putin, too.
This is incredibly brave of you to say in 2024, eight years after the electoral college designed by the slaveowning founding fathers you worship made the loser of the 2016 election into the winner.
The Republicans knew exactly how to defang her. They kept going on and on about “mean Hillary” so the fucking fresh poli sci college grads decided hey let’s make her more likeable and friendly! Of course that played directly into their plan to make her seem weak.
Yeah she should have ignored the fucking Republicans and just leaned straight into it. She would have looked sharp as fucking knives compared to Trump’s dull-witted lunacy talk.
I was excruciatingly disappointed when I watched those and didn’t see the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast.
I just want to say, I love everything about this sentence
I still remember how, as people on the ground in Michigan were seeing it coming and begging for more GOTV volunteers, her campaign flatly refused, instead sending volunteers to Iowa thinking she could win a red state and dunk on Trump. After all, the info on the ground couldn’t be better than their New York polling.
She thought she could just with by being not Trump (which, sure, should have been enough), but decided to not provide anything to vote for, rather than just voting against Trump.
She wins, we still have Roe and a bevy of other positive SCOTUS decisions from a 5-4 liberal court (maybe even 6-3). But she and Ginsburg screwed us over.
running a bad candidate on the basis of them not being Trump appears to be the Democrat strategy for as long as Trump continues breathing.
Tbh, the people who voted for Trump deserve at least some of the blame. I really do not like this idea that either campaign waved or failed to wave some magic wand to remove the individual agency of voters. The decision to vote for Trump was colossally idiotic, and very easy to not make.
I mean… I voted for her… I tried to convince others. I’m cognisant of the media, Russia, the DNC…
She also kinda forgot to campaign the rust belt and took for granted the folks on main St that didn’t bounce back with wall st, yet “took a risk on a black guy” and got burned by “intellectual corporate Democrats”
She never set foot in states she didn’t have to lose and it felt like Michael Moore was the only watching in real time with me.
I don’t think it was a particularly easy election. A majority of the people I know (which isn’t much admittedly) protest voted. Most thought her win was inevitable. I bet my friend in February that If it was Drumpf/Clinton, Drumpf would win. If so many people didn’t feel burned by her being picked over Sanders, she would have won electoral and popular.
If we didn’t have the archaic Electoral College system, she would have won. She won the popular vote by millions.
Bernie would have won if the DNC wasn’t so heavily focused on it being her “turn”. And then it was Joes “turn” after that. Bernie was the only person Trump was afraid of.
Not saying you’re wrong or anything. Just adding to it.
This wasn’t true about Biden. The establishment didn’t care who won that primary, as long as it wasn’t Bernie. I think Harris was their first choice, but they flipped to Biden when she tanked.
Biden absolutely believes he “earned” his time as president. He’s a life long politician that went through all the steps for it.
That may be, but he’s better at hiding it than Hillary. She seemed to always be making it clear that it was her turn. That message came across much more strongly than anything else.
Oh, Biden himself does actually believe that, but that’s true of pretty much every president. I do think it’s a little more extreme in his case than for most.
That is entirely possible.
However, I am not convinced Bernie could have gotten an agenda through either. It’s not exactly like his political ideals are even loved by a lot of the Democrats in government.
Not saying I wouldn’t have wanted him for president, I voted for him. But I am not convinced he would have been any more effective than Carter.
It’s really hard to implement a progressive agenda when even the so-called left isn’t on that agenda’s side.
Look to FDR as a model of what happens when a progressive agenda gets a firebrand President. It’s not like the politics were all that different, or Congress any less corrupt.
I disagree. The politics were a lot different. For example, the filibuster worked completely differently.
You only need 50%+ of the senate to change the rules that allow the filibuster.
Good luck with that.
That’s the point of the firebrand President. We have not had a President since FDR who knows how to stand up to special interests and even their own party when necessary.
The point is that it’s a self-imposed handicap. If a party has 50%+ in both houses and the presidency, they have the ability to pass whatever they like and choose not to use it.
The left functionality doesn’t exist in this country. We stamped them out in the Cold War and replaced them with the new Democrats who were all for social progressivism but economically were beholden to corporate interests. Then you have the conservatives who are so socially regressive they think Sharia Law is a roadmap and are so in bed with corporate interests that they’d be fine if kids died in coal mines as long as someone at the top is getting paid.
We can’t have the true left back until we get voting reform. Ranked choice or approval voting is essential to allow 3rd parties to have a chance to flourish without causing a spoiler effect. That will also pull the Overton window back to the left again as the two major political parties will have less of an incentive to court extremists and will see better results at the polls if their platforms appeal to as many people as possible.
Fair enough. But then again, if you didn’t have that, the campaigns of both sides would employ different strategies, leading to different outcomes.
Yeah, that Electoral College sure jumped right out in front of her, only giving her 227 years to prepare.
And the entire center of the geographical US would look like the Appalachians, but who cares about “flyover country” anyway?
What does that even mean? What does it have to do with the fact that she would have won if the president, who serves the nation was elected by a national popular vote rather that one which weights Montana and Massachusetts equally?
Because, believe it or not, keeping Hillary from winning is not why the Electoral College exists.
One of the reasons the United States has been the breadbasket of the world is because our government has HAD to account for the interests of underpopulated agrarian areas that otherwise would be ignored because they wouldn’t get ELECTED otherwise. Minnesota, Nebraska, and Iowa are IMPORTANT in elections. So we take care of our farmers.
Funny the way that works, isn’t it?
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Our farmers are not taken care of by their senators and congresspeople so they need to be artificially weighed in favor of when it comes to the chief executive? I’m sorry, that’s just silly.
No it’s not. Sorry, you and I do not agree.
You’re right. We don’t agree. I don’t think giving a farmer a vote more powerful than a city dweller’s when it comes to who should run the entire nation is ludicrous. Making up for a state’s small population is what the senate is for.
Everyone’s vote for president should be counted equally.
Pokemon go to the polls
That was some seriously cringe slogan.
But how was this ever enough to justify voting for the guy who has no morality, cheats and bullshits his way through everything, selects his entourage based on loyalty over competence, divides the country through purposefully polarizing statements and filed for bankruptcies 6 times, 5 of which were casinos? And that was what we knew before he was elected.
That’s just showing how superficial a lot of the voter base really is.
No. It shows how bad a candidate she was. People love reform candidates for a reason: Washington is so dirty, and our interests are not corporate interests. Centrist Democrats inspire leftist voters to stay home or vote third party.
This this this! Guys listen to this guy. He is smart.
Obama won with a message that politicians were dirty and we needed a change.
Trump won with a message that politicians were dirty and we needed a change.
Biden barely won with a message that Trump was dirtier than politicians and we needed a change.
My two cents: The average American has a literacy rate of 7th-8th grade and not only does Trump talk to that level he also repeats things constantly so people can remember it. Couple that with all conservative biased media constantly blasting the same messages people believe Trump was looking out for them. Compare to Hilary who has been painted as out of touch with voters and courting high value donors since Bill was president and the Bernie thing she needed to capture more independents but she didn’t.
If you actually think that’s why Hillary lost…wow. Just WOW.
I prefer this one
Okay but look at the young people. They went from bored to “oh my God, she’s talking about a thing I know!”
Some people need this stupid shit as much as I hate it.
I can’t imagine being 20 years old and being anything close to enthusiastic about Hillary Clinton. I also have to wonder how many of them were caught up in the moment of “Oh, are we clapping now?! She said a thing about…pokemon? Weird, but everyone’s cheering and since I’m a Hilldog stan and going with the flow is pretty much my entire personality I’ll clap and cheer too!”
Hillary supporters didn’t talk about policy. The talked about how exciting it would be to have the first woman president.
Too bad they don’t pokemon go to the polls
Idk those are young people who already took the time to go to a Hillary Clinton rally. Maybe a few of them were inspired but the vast majority of young voters saw that as the pandering that it was.
I’m just saying watch all their faces. Especially the bored looking ones. Right when she says “I don’t know who invented pokemon go…” They light up and look at each other and get excited. Not that they’re excited about Hilary.
I definitely groaned. I remember her making a dumb fuck star wars reference at some point too that made me more angry than supportive. But you can’t make comments like “the vast majority of young voters saw it as pandering” as if that’s something verifiable. You just made it up hoping it’s true. I also hope it’s true. If they decided it’s pandering, it might have even been because their media told them so.
I talk to too many people who use campaign ads during The Bachelor as their greatest source of information on candidates.
FYI, The campaign coordinators also dropped a bunch of lures in the area and even chose the location because it’s a pokestop. Anyone who came hunting for Pokemon was met with volunteers holding voting registration sign ups.
I think this is the best:
I dislike the establishment left, but 2016 was one of the most propagandized, misinformation filled, and corrupt elections - in no way can it be considered an “easy election”.
Hindsight is 20/20… The electorate sees no where near that well, and didn’t at the time.
The truth is fascism and pseudo or proto fascism is never an easy thing to defeat, because it breaks the rules and can appeal to forces and parts of human nature that most politicians won’t or can’t run with. This is why most fascists are praised as gifted speakers - even Trump - because they’re appealing to powerful parts of human nature which are usually not spoken about in politics, let alone addressed directly.
Let’s also remember that most people didn’t REALLY think Trump had a chance in 2016, even most Republicans voting for him. If everyone that would have voted against Trump had shown up (less than 60% of eligible voters turned out in 2016), it would have been no contest. He didn’t even get the popular vote in the end. But nobody took his campaign seriously and counted on everybody else to turn out to make the obvious but boring choice.
In 2020, though, we had the highest turnout of eligible voters since 1920 (still an embarrassing 66.6%). The only reason that the turnout for 2020 was so high is because so many people were so eager to either maintain or end Trump’s reign that people were charged up and went to the polls. The only realistic way that Trump doesn’t win this time though is if everyone who was so charged in 2020 remains as charged this time, or a new bunch of voters, like newly eligible young voters, show up in droves… and I’m very concerned that that doesn’t happen.
If everyone that would have voted against Trump had shown up (less than 60% of eligible voters turned out in 2016), it would have been no contest.
Everyone needs to read and comprehend this. The number of people who didn’t want Hillary or Trump was greater than the number of people who voted for them. But the system doesn’t reward abstaining. Trying to make a statement by not voting only serves to reward the people who you are abstaining from. Fucking vote, people! Write a candidate in if you have to. Vote for your dog. But get off your asses and use the right that hundreds of thousands of people died to protect.
One guy thought Trump had a chance. Ome guy kept saying that Trump was going to beat Hillary, and we needed a better strategy than hers.
I can’t imagine young voters being disenchanted more than they are when the Biden admin ignores their pleas to stop a genocide and walks all over them like spoiled children. He needs them now more than ever. I can’t see him realizing it, however.
Chapo Traphouse said it quite well with today’s episode: he isn’t willing to sacrifice his pride for the good of democracy. And Dems aren’t willing to shame and embarrass him to protect it either. We’re fucked.
Biden doesn’t actually believe in democracy. Biden supports democracy in the same way corporations support gay people during June. If Trump dismantles democracy, he doesn’t care. Biden’s big talk is all kayfabe. Biden is the face and Trump is the heel.
Threatening the DNC with a Trump presidency is like threatening your kids with McDonald’s
I completely agree. Hillary was subject to non-stop manufactured scandals insinuating she was a complete criminal (Benghazi, the emails, etc.). Plus Trump successfully tapped into the “punish the libs” and “it’s okay to be racist” contingents. It wasn’t a great campaign, but to suggest that it should have been a cake walk for her is ridiculous.
I agree with you that it wasn’t a cakewalk, but the problem was she treated it like a cakewalk. She assumed she had it locked up, and ignored all polling that didn’t support her landslide victory. She punished downticket candidates who didn’t bend the knee by skipping their districts in places like Wisconsin and Michigan, because she assumed people would show up for her.
She ran a terrible campaign, kowtowing to the worst attacks, thinking it was politics as usual, acting like she was above the fray while she was face down in the mud getting stomped on.
She should have gone on the offensive. She should have presented a vision for a better America. She failed us all, and for that she deserves as much scorn as we can conjure.
Had she set foot in Michigan or Wisconsin at all during her campaign she probably would have won.
I don’t know, it seems like when she even mildly went on the offensive, people on both sides (and especially the media) ripped her for it. Remember the “deplorables” things?
For ages, I don’t think even Trump’s campaign thought he had much of a chance (many sources have said he didn’t even want to win). And remember, she did win the popular vote.
I don’t think she did nearly as well as she could have, but there’s a lot of hyperbole about her that I think is misplaced.
People were going to rip her for whatever she said. That’s politics. Welcome to professional politics.
I agree that Trump’s campaign seemed surprised to be doing as well as it was, but part of that was the DNC and Hillary pushing all the attention on him because they thought he was a clown making Republicans look bad. If that’s not the miscalculation of the century, I don’t know what beats it.
It’s easy to make her sound like a victim when you ignore the fact that she did everything in her power to rig the DNC primaries in her favor AND propped up Trump’s early campaign as much as she could. The situation we find ourselves in is certainly not exclusively her fault but she definitely deserves more of the blame than any of us do. She set the board exactly how she wanted and still couldn’t win the game.
A. What candidate wouldn’t use whatever was available to them to win the election? She obviously didn’t do anything illegal or Trump’s DOJ would have nailed her (and they sure tried).
B. Gonna need a source for the Hillary propped up Trump’s campaign part.
Illegal and anti-democratic aren’t always the same thing. You can certainly be one without the other. Though to be clear there have been allegations of outright illegal activity by the Clinton campaign and the DNC as a whole during the 2016 election, but the specifics are fuzzy in my memory and that’s not what you’re asking about so I won’t attempt to address it further here.
Here’s the first article I read through after a quick search to find a source for you. If you don’t like the source I’m sure you can use the timeline and references it contains to find something from a source you prefer.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/
Here’s a couple relevant snippets:
So to take [Jeb] Bush down, Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agenda included a memo to the Democratic National Committee: “This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field,” it read. “The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo.
Eleven days after those comments about McCain, Clinton aides sought to push the plan even further: An agenda item for top aides’ message planning meeting read, “How do we prevent Bush from bettering himself/how do we maximize Trump and others?"
It would have been easy if Clinton’s team hadn’t deliberately helped Trump, thinking that putting a fascist on the world stage would make their jobs easier.
“Obama has been doing a great job for 8 years and I plan to continue his legacy as best I can. We’re going to give more money to workers and students and also legalise weed.”
Boom. That’s all winning an election took in 2015. It’s Clinton’s fault she needed to go and defeat fascism and failed.
the establishment left
Real interesting way to refer to the center-right.
I wouldn’t even call them center right, anyone. They’re what the right used to be.
This nonsense. Sanders would have won that if the DNC wasn’t corrupt as shit.
There’s nothing left about the DNC establishment. You need to update your terminology to be taken seriously.
I dislike the establishment left,
LOL, the what?
Genuine question, what is fascism?
You might want to look up Umberto Eco’s definition and I think it might be called something like “needs served by ur fascism”…
…but basically it’s authoritarian indoctrination into the idea that all individuals are subordinate to the state, and in order for them to be seen as having value they must give themselves entirely to the state’s goals and ideals to the point of happily, willingly, unquestioningly, and mindlessly giving their lives for/to the state.
It’s a kind of religious faith and fervor. It’s designed to replace and subordinate all other values and more often than not, places absolute power and faith in a single individual… And there’s often an irrational “cult of personality” around that individual. That person can “do no wrong” and is sometimes praised as a god or thought of as divine or having elements usually reserved for religion. They’re sometimes cast in the role of a father figure or God Emporer, and are always a “strong man leader”. Protection and veneration of them is the highest Aim in fascism (because everyone’s brainwashed by propaganda to believe he can do no wrong, and followers are sometimes scared to question or admit otherwise).
Fascism is named after the Roman “fascia” which was a bundle of sticks (sometimes with a long axe handle in the middle), that was used to beat unruly crowds and protestors (this goes along with the “strong man dictator imagery”). The internal fascist perspective is that this represents the strength through binding of strict rules into a community that is stronger than the sum of its parts, so the individuals no longer matter, they must move as the collective community of fascist believers demand.
So it’s a sort of radical authoritarian collectivism. It’s very much like a cult, but a cult that grips the whole of political society and the masses, it usually involves propaganda, and religious overtones, meaning the people giving up their rights, freedoms, bodies, and lives believe it’s in their best interests and may even get a substantial power trip from being the purveyors of popular violence in the name of their political religion. It usually involves political purges, and a complete conversion of society.
Fascism always requires enemies, and victims, people to target, blame, and be violent to. This often starts out as being the political opposition, then might also include demographic or ethnic or religious types, and almost always gay and queer people. Anyone different or who doesn’t abide by the group’s convictions around uniformity.
In Nazi Germany it was Gays, Jews, Subversives, and Criminals. In PolPot’s killing fields it was anyone who didn’t look Cambodian enough, or had any health defects, or disagreed or spoke out against the Khmer Rouge. In Hindu systems of Fascism it’s often Muslims.
Each culture and nations fascism has different aspects, but they all have key characteristics, which is what Umberto Eco was trying to define.
So that’s Fascism, named after some Roman shit, and usually has an angry “leather daddy” whose actually a loser at the top. It’s kinda pathetic and usually recruits people who don’t have a good sense of themselves and their own free will. People with low self-esteem who are angry and have grievances, who are upset at society or how it’s treated them, and who don’t question themselves or have a lot of empathy or self awareness of how others might be view things or be effected. Recruits are people who want to feel strong, but can’t for whatever reason. The group fascism makes them feel they’re being strong, and good, have a place in the world and brotherhood.
The best way to avoid fascism is to have a society based on shared community, transparency, justice, and empathy where everyone gets a say, but certain individualist limits are respected (eg. Self-autonomy, intellectual and political freedoms ect…) - and by making fascist movements and elements illegal or difficult to get away with. Also see Karl Popper’s “The Paradox of Tolerance”, or Herbert Marcuse’s essay on “Repressive Tolerance” for more on this.
Right wingers: YoU cAnT EvEn DeScRiBe FaScIsM. FaScIsM iS jUsT wHaTeVeR yOu DoNt LiKe!
Very very well said.
This is why most fascists are praised as gifted speakers - even Trump
The fuck? I’ve never heard anyone say that. The guy can’t string two sentences together. Gifted? More like special needs.
I don’t know why people listen to Trump, but they do, and that means he’s good at speaking.
The DNC stole the nomination from Bernie Sanders. Thus losing the democrats the election. And us getting Trump. I was Pro Bernie myself, THeeeen Pro Trump. Because I figured Trump would fuck shit up enough it would get Americans to get off their lard asses and give a fuck. Didn’t realize he would try an actual, though pathetic, coup on january 6th.
Didn’t she say something like “can’t we just drone him” in reference to assange?
She also questioned why we would let Palestine have an election without first determining who the winner would be…
Regarding the election, in which Hamas beat Fatah by 74 to 45 seats, Clinton said “I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake. And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”
Hillary is/was a terrible candidate and person.
But she’s always claimed the only reason anyone wouldn’t like her is because of conservative propaganda.
She did a lot to get us to the current point where anything except 100% loyalty to the party leads to someone being accused of being a Republican.
Same road republicans went down.
And our standards for Dem candidates has nosedived just like Republicans did. They just have a head start
To be fair, Assange is an annoying cunt who I’d probably drone strike if I could. But I’m just trigger happy these days, so it’s a good thing I don’t have any sort of power.
To sum things up, First, the US should never have gone after him. That was one of many, many wrongs committed by the US.
But The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
Assange is a rapist. Got to keep that one in mind here. The cases themselves were dropped, but some of the women have said they would still press charges if it were an option. But statute of limitations is in effect.
Another wrong he committed, he released full social security numbers as part of his leaks, multiple times.
As part of not redacting sensitive info, he got multiple Iraqi and Afghani civilians killed, because their names were in the documents he released.
And he was a shitty boss, and a shitty pet owner.
Other things, Assange has been on Russia’s payroll for a while. Wikileaks has never once released anything that makes Putin look bad. They did not host the Panama Papers, and Assange called them an anti-Putin, CIA fabrication.
Now, I’m not saying that the CIA wouldn’t do that. But I will say that I don’t think any three letter agency in the world is competent enough to do so without getting caught at it.
And finally he gave us the Trump presidency.
No, fuck that guy. Probably doesn’t deserve anything more than the prison time he served, but it did deserve prison, especially for the rapes.
If you want actual responsible journalism and document leaks, check out these guys.
Nah, I blame the media. If any mainstream media actually bothered to report seriously on Bernie and especially the turnouts he was pulling at his rallies, we probably would have had more than enough people energized to vote in the primary and the general. Instead, the MSM acted like Bernie wasn’t a real candidate. I stopped supporting NPR after how dirty they did him.
Worst of all, they acted like trump was a real candidate, and handed him the unlimited exposure he needed to build a cult.
That’s not true. You don’t need any media exposure at all to build a cult. Cults are small. No, they gave him the media exposure he needed to build a religion. A big one. Much more dangerous.
How much do the Democrats need to mess up before they can be considered to be working with the Republicans instead of against them?
Clinton was one whoopsie in a chain of mistakes that has led us here.
Edit: I am getting a significant amount of replies saying that I’m being mean to Hillary. To be clear, I’m not dogging on her. She did her best. I’m upset at the Democratic party for putting her against Trump. She lacks charisma, it’s not her fault.
Spoiler: Both are Right Wing parties, so they represent the establishment, not the people or progressive ideals.
We need Ranked Choice Voting so we can vote our conscience and ideals and stop being forced into a lose-lose situation every election.
Casual victim blaming Hilary, ignoring the massive propaganda campaign against her, sponsored by a foreign government.
How very American of you.
Trump and the Russians are to blame, not Hillary.
Trump and the Russians are to blame, not Hillary.
Did trump and the Republicans prevent her from campaigning in swing states and heavily campaigning in democratic strongholds?
Hillary absolutely deserves blame for how her candidacy fucked the dog so hard she lost to Donald trump. She doesn’t deserve all the blame for her loss by any stretch, but she does not need to be sanctified as a martyr of some kind.
I didn’t blame Hillary. Hillary did her best. I blame the Democratic organization who decided to run Hillary. They could have run Bernie. They could have run somebody who had more charisma.
The average voter is retarded. They need to see strength and charisma.
How many time does it take to not be her fault and finally fall on the electorate?
It takes a village when? How long after the baby is born?
You mean the electorate that was voting for Bernie en masse but Wasserman-Schulz and the big donors didn’t want that so they threw the rest of the primaries to go Hillarys way? The electorate that was disenfranchised by their own party?
Oh holy Jesus yes keep saying it was all stolen from you. The primaries are rigged, the election was stolen!
You are a pawn! Being used for adrenochrome!
Bernie had the rug ripped out from him! Thats why he worked with the DNC. Thats why Bernie says the opposite of you. Cause they fucked him!
Bernie was fucked by the establishment stranglehold over mainstream media, inherent flaws in the primary system, and some truly underhanded tactics. There has been no good evidence of any kind of tampering with the votes.
Bernie has always been a pragmatist. The progressive movement has nothing to gain by him obsessing over sour grapes. Contrast that with Hillary who will live the rest of her life locked into the day she lost.
Compare your comment to sour grapes….
“Bernie” is a role you like to play. Bernie isn’t a person he’s your grievance.
I was explaining why Bernie moved on. I’d love to move on but it seems like every few months Hillary pops up in the media with another sneer.
Anyways, given where all the establishment fuckery of the past 50 years has led us at this particular moment, I feel like a little anger is justified, no?
Does Bernie hold that same anger? Has he moved on or have you not?
Go away Hillary.
How did she hurt you?
She gave us 4 years of Donald Trump.
